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Property Investor Confidence Lifts

The latest edition of the Digital Finance Analytics Household Finance Security Index, to end April, released today, shows a lift from 88.14 to 89.20. This is still below the long term neutral score of 100, but is the highest score so far this year.

Of note is the significant spike from 89.67 to 92.45 in confidence among property investors, thanks to the Government stance on negative gearing, the expectation of interest rate cuts, and better news on home price growth. Investor households in NSW and VIC improved the most. Property active owner occupied households saw a small lift from 95.43 to 95.93, thanks to the expectation of lower mortgage rates (though offset by lower returns from those with deposits). Improved stock marker performance assisted. Once again, stronger positive scores in NSW and VIC were somewhat offset by noticeably weaker scores in WA and QLD.

Overall costs of living were flat. We saw a further fall in those who had received a pay rise whilst those with property on average saw their net worth rise again.

There was a noticeable fall in those households who are not property active – either renting or living with family or friends. On average their score fell again, from 84.3 to 83.5. These households are more exposed to costs of living (including rising rentals), have no leverage to the rising property market and are more stressed financially than property holding segments. Around one third of households fall into this group.

By way of background, these results are derived from our household surveys, averaged across Australia. We have 26,000 households in our sample at any one time. We include detailed questions covering various aspects of a household’s financial footprint. The index measures how households are feeling about their financial health. To calculate the index we ask questions which cover a number of different dimensions. We start by asking households how confident they are feeling about their job security, whether their real income has risen or fallen in the past year, their view on their costs of living over the same period, whether they have increased their loans and other outstanding debts including credit cards and whether they are saving more than last year. Finally we ask about their overall change in net worth over the past 12 months – by net worth we mean net assets less outstanding debts.

Household Finance Confidence Falls Again In February

The February edition of the Digital Finance Analytics Household Finance Confidence Index, released today, fell from 89.24 to 88.11, and remains below a neutral setting.

A range of factors have led to this latest fall.

Savings was one area of concern, because with stronger concerns about the property sector, and volatile stock markets, more households are wanting to hold money on deposit. 11% feel more comfortable than 12 months ago, 31% less conformable, and 52% about the same. The research shows that many households are concerned about the best investment path, and some are expecting savings rates to fall further. We also saw that about one quarter of households would have difficulty in accessing savings of $2,500 in an emergency, so savings balances are highly segment specific. Deposit rates have also improved recently for some.

On the debt front, 8% of households feel more comfortable than a year back, down 2.5%, whilst 27% are less comfortable, (up 1.8%). 62% felt about the same. Mortgages remain the major burden, whilst more are looking to pay down credit card debt. Significantly a rising number of households indicated they were considering paying down debt (rather than keeping funds in a low yielding deposit account). Perhaps the era of deleveraging is starting? Whilst new borrowing for property purchase is somewhat down, refinancing to reduce existing repayments has increased. There was a significant rise in households whose loan application was refused on serviceability grounds.

Turning to real income (after inflation), only 1.2% of households said their income had risen (down 1%), whilst 44% said their real incomes had fallen in the past year (consistent with recent RBA data showing no per capita growth since 2008). More than half said they had experienced no change in real income. Those relying on investments for incomes were most concerned. The lack of income growth constrains household spending and will reduce their ability to deleverage.

Looking at costs of living, 37% said their costs had risen in the past year, 2% said costs have fallen, and 59% said there was little net change, thanks to continued lower fuel and interest costs offsetting other rising costs. School fees and childcare costs, and health insurance costs all rose.

On a positive note, more households are confident of their employment now, with 14.14% feeling more secure than 12 months ago, up from last month, whilst 20% were feeling less secure (but down 1.73%). The majority said there has been no change (62.2%).

Summing up, household net worth is now under more pressure, with 51% said it had risen (down 4%), 15% saying net worth was lower (up 2.8%), and 26% saying there was no change. The value of some share market investments are being trimmed. We are also seeing some signs of property values falling in some places. For example, property in areas of Kalgoorlie (WA) have fallen 25% in the past year, some areas around Mackay and Fitzroy (QLD) have fallen 20%, and in SA areas around Eyre dropped 6%. Not all property markets across Australia have performed equally well. These factors feed into the falls in net worth.

Finally, looking at a property segmented view of the index, we see that all segments recorded a fall this month, with property active owner occupied households more positive than property investors, and property inactive households (in rentals or other living arrangements) scoring the most negative results. Factors such as prospective tax changes in the budget, general political uncertainty, and the broader economic environment are all playing on households, feeding through into ongoing negativity. Significantly, the boost we saw following the change in PM has now dissipated completely.

RBA Banking On Household Spending Growth

In the latest minutes, released today, there was interesting commentary on their perspective of household consumption growth, savings ratio, and housing activity. They are expecting a growth in household consumption. However, this does not necessarily jive with DFA’s Household Finance Confidence Index, which reported a fall in the most recent results.

Turning to developments in the household sector, members noted that growth in household consumption had increased in the September quarter to be close to its decade average in year-ended terms. Growth was expected to be similar in the December quarter, based on recent retail sales data, indications from the Bank’s retail liaison that trading conditions had improved in the Christmas and post-Christmas sales period, and surveys suggesting that perceptions of households’ own finances remained above average. Household consumption growth had been supported by low interest rates, lower petrol prices and increasing employment, despite relatively subdued household income growth. These factors were expected to support a further increase in consumption growth over the forecast period.

Members observed that although the saving ratio had been declining, recent revisions to national accounts data suggested that this decline was not as pronounced as previously thought. As a result, the saving ratio had remained close to 10 per cent over the past five years, which was a significant step up from its average over the previous two decades but not particularly high from a longer-run perspective.

Dwelling investment had increased strongly over the year to the September quarter and further growth was anticipated, albeit at a gradually declining rate. This was consistent with building approvals, which were at a high level, although lower than in early 2015. Members noted that some other indicators of dwelling investment, including loan approvals for new construction, had been more positive in recent months. Information from liaison contacts indicated that demand for high-density housing in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane had been sufficient to absorb the increase in the supply that had come onto the market, whereas demand had been somewhat weaker in Perth, which had experienced a decline in prices and rents for apartments over the past year. To date, there had not been any substantive signs of financial distress from developers, but there had been an increasing number of projects put on hold, particularly in areas where there were concerns about potential oversupply. Conditions in the established housing market more generally had eased in recent months. Housing prices had declined a little from September 2015 and auction clearance rates had fallen from very high levels to around their long-run averages.

Housing credit growth overall had stabilised at around 7½ per cent, following a period of rising growth since late 2012. Growth in credit to investors in housing had declined, offset by an increase in growth in credit to owner-occupiers. This was consistent with the larger increase in mortgage rates for investors and the strengthening of banks’ non-price lending terms in response to earlier supervisory actions.

Household Finance Confidence Takes A Dive

In the latest edition of the DFA Household Finance Confidence Index, to end January 2016, we see a marked fall in overall confidence, down from 91.46 to 89.24. This reverses the improvement we saw in the last quarter of 2015. Households with investment property and stock market investments registered the strongest declines. Those in WA and SA also showed greater concerns about future job prospects compared with eastern states. Confidence continues to languish below the neutral setting of 100.

The results are derived from our household surveys, averaged across Australia. We have 26,000 households in our sample at any one time. We include detailed questions covering various aspects of a household’s financial footprint. The index measures how households are feeling about their financial health. To calculate the index we ask questions which cover a number of different dimensions. We start by asking households how confident they are feeling about their job security, whether their real income has risen or fallen in the past year, their view on their costs of living over the same period, whether they have increased their loans and other outstanding debts including credit cards and whether they are saving more than last year. Finally we ask about their overall change in net worth over the past 12 months – by net worth we mean net assets less outstanding debts.

Looking specifically at our property segmentation, we see a significant decline in confidence among property investors. There are two factors driving this, first rental income is constrained, and second prospective future capital growth is uncertain. In addition, concerns about potential adverse changes to negative gearing are also having an impact. Owner occupied property holders remain relatively more positive, thanks to continued low interest rates, and with little expectation of any rise in rates anytime soon.

Looking at the moving parts which drive the index, costs of living continue to rise in real-terms, with 38% saying costs have risen in the past year, (up 3% from last month), whilst 58% said there had been no overall change (falls in fuel costs netting off other elements).

Turning to income growth, 2.3% said, in real terms (after inflation) their incomes had risen in the past year, (down 2.4% from last month), whilst 55% said there had been no net change. 41% said their income had fallen, thanks to lower investment returns, reduced overtime, and less available work. The figures varied across the states, but we won’t discuss that here.

Turning to debt levels (and household debt has never been higher), 11% of household were more comfortable than a year ago (down 2% from last month), 25% were less comfortable, and 63% were about the same. Continuing low interest rates are helping to make large loans manageable.

Next we look at savings. 13% of households were more comfortable with their savings than a year ago, (down 1% from last month), whilst 32% were less comfortable, mainly due to their inability to save, or for those who can, the low returns currently on offer.

Job security varied across the states, but at an aggregated level, 14% felt more secure than a year ago, 54% felt about the same, and 32% felt less secure (up 2.5% from last month). Those in resources, and manufacturing were on average less comfortable, compared with those in the service sectors. Continued drought conditions in some areas also had an adverse impact.

Finally, we look at net worth. Here 61% of households said their net worth was higher than a year ago (down 1% from last month), whilst 26% said there was no change, and 13% said their net worth was lower. Those with property assets are protected by the rapid rises in the past year, even if future growth is less certain. Those with stock market investments are more concerned by recent falls.

So, overall households remain concerned, and this will translate into cautious spending patterns in coming months. Given continued uncertainly on global markets, property price dynamics, and the upcoming budget in May, we do not expect much of a recovery in confidence in the short term.

DFA Household Finance Security Index Lifts – For Some

The latest edition of the DFA Household Finance Confidence Index (FCI) is released today, using data from our household surveys up to the end of November 2015. The index moved up a little, from 90.73 to 91.46, but still below the neutral setting of 100. So overall households remain cautious about their financial state in the run up to Christmas.

To calculate the index we ask questions which cover a number of different dimensions. We start by asking households how confident they are feeling about their job security, whether their real income has risen or fallen in the past year, their view on their costs of living over the same period, whether they have increased their loans and other outstanding debts including credit cards and whether they are saving more than last year. Finally we ask about their overall change in net worth over the past 12 months – by net worth we mean net assets less outstanding debts.

One of the more interesting aspects of the research highlights that households who are property investors continue to have their overall confidence eroded, driven by the higher costs of finance and doubts about the prospect of future capital growth. This echoes the fall-off in investment lending we have been tracking in recent weeks. The downturn in investor confidence is most marked in NSW. On the other hand, owner occupied property owners have become relatively more confident, thanks to continued low interest rates. Those households who are property inactive (renting, or seeking to buy) remain the least confident sector.

Looking at the elements which drive the index, we find that 35.5% of households say their costs have increased in the past year, up by 0.6% from last month, whilst 5% say their costs have fallen. 59% say there has been no net change, thanks to lower mortgage interest costs over the year, helping to offset other rising costs. Low inflation levels are helping.

Income growth remains under pressure, with 5% saying their income has rising in the part year (after inflation), and 37% saying their real incomes have fallen, whilst 57% said there was no change. Many have not received any rise in pay over the past year, and are relying on more overtime to lift take-home wages. One respondent said ” we are simply running harder, just to stand still”.

Looking at debt levels, 61% said they had more debt than last year, 23% said there was no change, and just 15% said their debt was lower (up by 1.6% last month). Mortgages continue to be the main burden, and some households (those generally more affluent) are continuing to reduce their credit card and loan debt. We did also note a continued rise in small loans, from households under financial stress.

Many households have little money in the bank for a rainy day, but of those who are saving, 14% said they were more comfortable with their savings than a year ago which is down 1.5%, and linked directly to continued low rates of return available on many bank deposit accounts. Around 30% were less comfortable, because they had to dip into their savings to pay the bills, and in the run up to Christmas, down a little from last month. Several commented on recent stock market falls, and the risks to their investments running into 2016.

Job security was quite varied, depending on region and industry. Those employment in (lower paid) service industry jobs – for example in healthcare in NSW, were the most confident, whilst those in mining, agribusiness and construction, especially in WA and SA were more concerned. 17% felt more secure than a year ago, 62% felt about the same, and 20% felt less secure. Younger households felt less secure than more mature households.

Finally, 60% of households said their net worth was higher than a year ago, down a little from last month, thanks to recent stock market adjustments, and property coming off in several locations. 15% said their net worth was lower (a rise of 1.6% compared with last month), and 23% said there was no change.

We think it quite likely we will see continued improvement in coming months, although if house prices start to tumble, or interest rates were to rise, this would have an immediate negative impact. We would also observe that households remain cautious, and whilst we expect something of a spending boom over Christmas, it looks like it will be tempered by limited increases in personal credit, and lack of available savings.

Household Financial Confidence On The Up

The latest edition of the DFA Household Finance Confidence Index for October 2015 is released today, and shows a noticeable uptick compared with last month. The current index stands at 90.7 compared with 87.7 in September, still below the long-term neutral position, but on the improve. Taken with the stronger employment dat a, released today by the ABS, we think there a potential drop in the cash rate is off the table, unless there is an external shock. Should the US lift rates in December this would be another nail in the rate cut coffin.

Looking at the segmentation of the index, property inactive and owner occupied households improved compared to property investors who were more concerned about rising mortgage rates, and lower property price growth. They are also being hit by lower rental returns. This shows the importance of the property sector on overall confidence.

Overall, at a national level, 61% of households said their net worth had improved, up 1.1% from last month, and still being supported by rising property prices in the eastern states. 13% of households said their net worth was lower, and these were impacted by lower stock market prices, and some property price falls in WA and SA.

Looking at cost of living, there was a fall in those who said their costs were higher at 35%, compared with 40% last month, mainly due to lower prices for some foods, fuel, and low interest rates. 60% said there was no real change.

Looking at real income, 5% said they were better off, a slight rise from last month, whilst 55% said their real incomes had stayed the same over the past year (this is after inflation), very similar to last month. 38.7% said their incomes, in real terms, had fallen.

Next we turn to debt. Here 13% were more comfortable (up 1.8% from last month) with their levels of debt, whilst 26% were less comfortable, and 58% about the same, close to last months results. The small hikes in mortgage rates have yet to hit, so we will see if the score changes next month. However, absolute low rates are helping, and future expectations for interest rises appear more subdued.

The status of savings showed that 15% were more comfortable, up 2.4% on last month, thanks to deposit returns stabilising, and dividends holding up.

Finally, job security improved, with 17% saying they felt more secure (up 0.7%), and 63% saying they felt as secure as last year, similar to last month. However, there was a more negative note in WA, and on an aggregated national basis, 20% of households were less secure, up 1% on last month. Better employment prospects showed through in NSW and VIC.

So, we think there is a change of momentum in the index, and unless there is some external shock, the index is likely to climb as we enter the summer months. One factor which came though in the data was a more positive expectation about our political leaders, and this is flowing though to improved confidence.

DFA Household Finance Confidence Index Languishes In September

The negative household confidence sentiment continued in September according to the latest results from our household surveys, released today. The overall score was 87.73, compared with 87.69 last month. These are levels well below 100 which is a neutral result, and still in the lowest region since 2012 when the DFA FCI started. The instability in the financial markets, flat real income growth, and rising costs swamped any positive impact on the change of Prime Minister overall. Households with property investments remain significantly more confident than those who are property inactive.

Looking in detail at the elements which drive the survey, 40% of households said their costs of living had risen in the past 12 months, a rise of 0.17% from last month. Only 3.6% of households said their costs had fallen, down 2% on last month. Major movements were driven by the rising costs of some supermarket goods, as well as child care and school fees. 55% of households said their costs of living had not changed in the part year, a rise of 2.5% from last month. The majority of younger households were significantly worse off.

Turning to income, after inflation, 4.8% of households said their incomes had risen, up 0.6% on last month, whilst 40% said their real incomes had fallen, down 2% on last month. 55% said there had been no change in the part 12 months. Those relying on income from savings continue to be hit by low deposit account interest rates, and recent stock market falls. We saw a number of households report a fall in overtime, especially in WA and SA, whilst in NSW and VIC additional work was a little easier to find.

Next we look at debt. 11% of households were more comfortable than 12 months ago, little changed from last month. Many of these continue to pay ahead on their mortgage, and are reducing credit card debt. 27.7% of households were more uncomfortable than a year ago, up 0.38% on last month. Those younger households with a owner occupied mortgage were most concerned, and in addition, we noted the rise of concern among those using credit cards to balance their spending. The ongoing low mortgage rates on owner occupied mortgages provides a buffer, and so far, the higher rates on investment loans have not worked through to dent confidence. 58% of households were as comfortable with the debts they service, very similar to last month.

Looking specifically at savings, 13.2% were more comfortable, down 0.4% on last month. 31.1% were less comfortable, up 1% on last month, thanks to stock market volatility and ultra low bank deposit rates. There was a higher concern now that the Government may impose more tax on superannuation following the change of leadership. 54% of households were still as comfortable compared with 12 months ago, little changed on the month.

The state variations in job security are becoming more pronounced, with WA, SA and NT all showing greater concerns, whilst NSW and VIC continued to improve. We noted those currently working in the construction sector were more concerned this month, thanks to an expected development slow-down. Those more secure than last year rose 2.1% to 15.9%, thanks to the NSW and VIC effect. 63% of households were as confident as 12 months ago, up 2%, whilst those less confident overall fell by 2% to 19%. However, there are a number of moving parts which are working in different directions, and which are averaged away in the national summary.

Finally, we look at net worth, a measure of overall value held, net of debt by households. Overall, those with higher net worth than a year ago remained at 60%, whilst those with lower net worth rose 1% to 14.5%. 23.5% of households said they had no overall change, up 2.6% on last month. There are again offsetting forces at work in these results, with sustained house price growth in NSW and VIC more than offsetting falls in the stock market. On the other hand, states where house prices were weaker, were more likely to see net worth fall, because mortgage debt is still high.

If we look at the overall index by property segment (as defined by DFA), those who are property inactive (either renting, living with friends, at home, or in public housing) had a lower confidence score, because they had all the pressures created by rising costs, static or falling incomes, and no upside from property. Investment property investors were the more confident (though still well below the 100 neutral level), and owner occupied home owners are between the other two segments.

Overall then household financial confidence continues to languish, despite record low interest rates. Because of this we believe many households will continue to spend carefully, and be careful not to extend their high personal debt further. We also see how property is supporting the confidence levels significantly, and of course if this changed for any reason (for example, static or falling capital growth, or rising rates) confidence would be significantly dented further. The future of housing has become the key to confidence.

Latest DFA Report – The Property Imperative 5 – Just Released

The Property Imperative, Fifth Edition, published September 2015 is available free on request.

This report explores some of the factors in play in the Australian residential property market by looking at the activities of different household groups using our recent primary research, customer segmentation and other available data. It contains:

results from the DFA Household Survey to September 2015
a focus on underwriting standards and mortgage pricing
an update of the DFA Household Finance Confidence Index
a discussion of the impact of high house prices

You can obtain a copy of the report, delivered via email here.

From the Introduction.

The Property Imperative is published twice each year, drawing data from our ongoing consumer surveys, research and blog. This edition dates from September 2015 and offers our latest perspectives on the ever-changing residential property sector.

We begin by describing the current state of the market by looking at the activities of different household groups using our recent primary research and other available data.

In this edition, we also look at current mortgage pricing dynamics and underwriting standards; update our household finance confidence index and discuss the impact of chronically high house prices over the longer term.

Residential property is in the cross-hairs of many players who wish to influence the economic, fiscal and social outcomes of Australia.

By way of context, the Australian residential property market of 9.53 million dwellings is currently valued at over $5.76 trillion and includes houses, semi-detached dwellings, townhouses, terrace houses, flats, units and apartments. In the past 10 years the total value has more than doubled. It is one of the most significant elements driving the economy, and as a result it is influenced by state and federal policy makers, the Reserve Bank (RBA), banking competition and regulation and other factors. Indeed the RBA is “banking” on property as a critical element in the current economic transition.

According to the RBA, as at July 2015, total housing loans were a record $1.48 trillion . There are more than 5.4 million housing loans outstanding with an average balance of about $243,000 . Approximately 61% of total loan stock is for owner occupied housing, while a record 39% is for investment purposes. Last month, more than half of new loans written were for investment purposes.

The relative proportion of investment loans leaped by nearly 2.5% to 38.9% thanks to a significant reclassification of loans by some lenders.

In addition, 39.7% of new loans issued were interest-only loans.

The RBA continues to highlight their concerns about potential excesses in the housing market . In addition Australian Prudential Regulation Authority (APRA) has been tightening regulation of the banks, in terms of supervision of lending standards, the imposition of speed limits on investment lending and has raised capital requirements for some banks . The latest RBA minutes indicates their view is these regulatory changes are slowing investment lending somewhat , though we observe that demand remains strong, and in absolute terms, borrowing rates are low.

The story of residential property is far from over!

Table of Contents:
1 Introduction 3
2 The Property Imperative – Winners and Losers 4
2.1 An Overview Of The Australian Residential Property Market 4
2.2 Home Price Trends 4
2.3 The Lending Environment 6
2.4 Bank Portfolio Analysis 9
2.5 Market Aggregate Demand 10
3 Segmentation Analysis 16
3.1 Want-to-Buys 16
3.2 First Timers 16
3.3 Refinancers 19
3.4 Holders 19
3.5 Up-Traders 20
3.6 Down-Traders 20
3.7 Solo Investors 21
3.8 Portfolio Investors 21
3.9 Super Investment Property 21
4 Special Feature – Current Mortgage Pricing Dynamics 24
4.1 Regulatory Context 24
4.2 Bank Reaction 25
4.3 Portfolio Implications 28
5 The DFA Household Finance Confidence Index 30
6 Who Benefits From High House Prices? 33
7 About DFA 35
8 Copyright and Terms of Use 36

DFA Video Blog On Latest Household Finance Confidence Results

Today we published the latest DFA Household Finance Confidence index (FCI), which showed a further fall. This video blog discusses some of the findings, and considers some of the issues which explains the results, and what may change them.

You can read about how we assemble the index here, and past results here.

Latest DFA Survey Shows Household Finance Confidence Falls

The latest edition of DFA’s Household Finance Confidence Index to end August is released today, and it shows a significant fall. With a score of 87.69 (down from 91.1 in July), it is the lowest since the index started, and is well below its neutral setting, which was crossed in April 2014. Recent stock market volatility, concerns about employment prospects, rising living costs and slowing income growth all combine to drive the index lower.

Looking at the drivers of the index, this month, 40% of households are concerned about rising costs of living (up 1.8% on last month), whilst 52% said their costs had not changed (down 3.3%). In the surveys, recent council charges and school fees were mentioned specifically.

Turning to real income (after inflation), about 4% of households saw their income rise in real terms (up 0.3% on last month), whilst 39.6% said their incomes had fallen (down 0.5%) and 55% said there had been no change. Income from bank deposits continued to drop, thanks to lower rates, and dividends from some shares were lower than expected. A significant proportion did not expect to see any rise in wages in the next six months.

Looking at debt, 11.4% of households were more comfortable with their current levels of borrowing, (down 1.2% on last month), whilst 59% were about the same (up 1.85%), thanks to the expectation that interest rates were unlikely to rise any time soon. There was a rise of 0.5% in those feeling less comfortable about their level of debt, (27%), this was directly linked with concerns about future employment prospects.

Turning to savings, 13.5% of households were more comfortable with their level of savings (down 0.4% compared with last month), whilst 30.2% were less comfortable (a fall of 1.1%). 54% of households were feeling about the same as last month, up 1%.

Looking at job security, 13.8% of households felt more secure about their job prospects (down by 1.9% on last month), whilst 22% felt less secure (up 2.5%) and 61.5% felt as secure as last month (down 0.5%). There were significant state and industry variations, with those employed in mining and construction more concerned, especially in WA, along with those in manufacturing in VIC and SA, and those in QLD and NSW in resources. Those in the service sectors, such as healthcare and finance were more confident. Younger workers and those aged over 50 years were more concerned, whilst females were less concerned than males.

Finally, looking at net household worth, 60% of households thought their net worth had risen (down 2.2% on last month), thanks mainly to rising home values in the eastern states. 24.6% saw no change (up 1.5%) and 13.6% saw a fall. The main drivers of those with concerns can be traced to the volatility on the stock markets, and falling property values in WA. We also note that the one third of households who are not property active are significantly more represented in the falling category, because they do not benefit from the wealth effect of rising property prices.

Overall then household financial confidence continues to languish, despite record low interest rates. Because of this we believe many households will continue to spend carefully, and be careful not to extend their high personal debt further. We did also note though a strong interest in property as the most secure investment option, and as a result, we expect to see ongoing high demand. We will cover this in more detail in a future post.